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pkay
30-06-15, 10:35 AM
In this age of rampant technological change and rapid devaluation of the Euro due to Greece (just trying to be contemporary people) I was reflecting this morning after a great ride in on BUKIA to work how made the application of technology to bikes has become and that in 10 years nobody is going to know how to fix the current crop of gizmo laden wonders. Take switch blocks for example - looking at the Kat lovely blend of form and function and that clever but somewhat annoying high beam switch is cool. What's more if it plays up out with the screwdrivers and soldering iron and a few hours later viola! Now take a BMW S1000RR - I did a team moto ride day a couple of weeks back that included BMW's and Triumphs. I was drooling over the BMW until I saw the left switch block - F/me it was more complicated than a jumbo cockpit. I asked one of the learned sales guys about the longevity of such equipment and when he finished posting on facebook he grunted and said something about having to squeeze a pimple, after which he'd come back to me (which he didn't of course). Then with the recent demise of Brisbane Ducati the plot thickened - stay with me here. I recently bought a copy of the Panigale service manual - 1200 pages. Faaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrk. And when you look at the amount of activity that is required at each service you'd think that there was something inherently wrong with the bike. Now the link - Brisbane Ducati went bust apparently amongst many reasons because there was no money in new bike sales and nobody was getting their bikes serviced - if you look at the work required by $200 hour you'd understand why, but they need to charge that cause of the training required on the technicians (that's the story but isn't all the hard work done by the service computer plugged into the bike????). eg to check and tighten the exhaust mounts remove fairing and......... two second job just cost $100 on it's own.

So - have the factories become too clever by creating service schedules that are massively overdone to create revenue streams for their dealers cause the profits on new sales are so thin? and by that have outsmarted themselves cause people will not pay for the work thereby stuffing up their dealers?

Or - are bikes now more unreliable because of the technology being stuffed in them? As a result in 10 years time todays superbikes will be tomorrows junk?

I'll be reading my Panigale service manual...........:ugeek:

drillit
30-06-15, 11:20 AM
.....do you need directions again for Power O?

No pimples etc - just great reliable bikes, great roads, great weather, great breakfast and somewhat dodgy company OKI!!!!

Gammaboy
30-06-15, 12:50 PM
WTF is BUKIA?

83KAT
30-06-15, 01:15 PM
I have two schools of thought on THE MODERN DAY MOTORCYCLE DEALERSHIP...1 After watching me ride in and start walking toward the counter the pimply faced barely graduated work experience kid with his dirt bike cap on backwards realises I'm heading his way suddenly disappears out the back,..to turn the MUSIC DOWN....NO. never to return.
...2 OR while I'm letting the little lady debike , I'm over run buy the head salesman/mechanic/parts guy (remember him) all with the same ol, same ol...OHH SHIT a KATANA...750 OR AN 1100..GEE THEY WERE A GOOD BIKE...F#CK THEY HAD SOME GRUNT etc etc
..3 You can tell that pimply face little prick I don't need his service cause Old Mate who met me outfront knows what I want and if he doesn't know my old mate eBay usually does...

Boogieman
30-06-15, 01:26 PM
I agree with today's tech being tomorrow's junk. Let's see if these bikes are going strong at their 34th anniversary. Doubt it.
Technology is what makes the power usable but..... I use my 105 series land cruiser as an example when compared to the new 200.
Mine does 0-100 between Monday and Thursday. It will do this for 1000000km with an oil change , two filters and a timing belt every 150000km. It has 96kw and 280Nm.
The 200 has 170kw and 500 and something Nm.
The sales man tells me it shouldn't give any trouble for about 250000km at a price of $90000. So it will only cost me an arm and a leg four times in the time my 105 does once.
Needless to say I still have the 105 and my old carbied Soozys.

darkside
30-06-15, 01:45 PM
WTF is BUKIA?

short for NKNI

pkay
30-06-15, 01:46 PM
.....do you need directions again for Power O?

No pimples etc - just great reliable bikes, great roads, great weather, great breakfast and somewhat dodgy company OKI!!!!

Sorry D I'll be occupied reading the service manual old chap.

pkay
30-06-15, 01:47 PM
short for NKNI

Wrong! The opposite in fact

Rusty82
30-06-15, 02:25 PM
I agree with today's tech being tomorrow's junk. Let's see if these bikes are going strong at their 34th anniversary. Doubt it.
Technology is what makes the power usable but..... I use my 105 series land cruiser as an example when compared to the new 200.
Mine does 0-100 between Monday and Thursday. It will do this for 1000000km with an oil change , two filters and a timing belt every 150000km. It has 96kw and 280Nm.
The 200 has 170kw and 500 and something Nm.
The sales man tells me it shouldn't give any trouble for about 250000km at a price of $90000. So it will only cost me an arm and a leg four times in the time my 105 does once.
Needless to say I still have the 105 and my old carbied Soozys.

Bang on mate!!!

Shin-Ken 1074
30-06-15, 03:00 PM
What's a facebook? Regarding technology, computers should not be bolted into motorcycles. Computers should only be used for the purpose they were invented for - PORN!

Toadboy
30-06-15, 04:02 PM
What's a facebook? Regarding technology, computers should not be bolted into motorcycles. Computers should only be used for the purpose they were invented for - PORN!

Says it all really :D

murf
30-06-15, 07:31 PM
Its here and its real at work I now tune chain saws with a computer i had one yesterday that shut down due to owner error a firmware update and a master reset and all good to go. Cheers Murf.

Shin-Ken 1074
30-06-15, 07:38 PM
No good can come of it Murf! Get rid of it before it destroys everything.

Boogieman
30-06-15, 10:02 PM
A chain saw??

Fuel injected??

darkside
30-06-15, 11:31 PM
Sheesh talk about sounding like old men....
I remember a time, lets say 30 years ago, old blokes stood around a new bike, lamenting new fangled technology, like point less ignition, plastic parts, square headlights,disc brakes, single rear shocks, 16 inch front wheels, 16 valve motors, twin cams. All had the opinion it was just not built to last!

But the young fellas thought it was alright.

How much do you want to bet in 30 years there will be a ecentric group of old fellas that collect fuel injected chainsaws?

murf
01-07-15, 01:35 AM
Not fuel injected yet but have computer controlled carbs and ignition the test gear tells you all sorts of things like max rpm,temp.fuel mixture time run at idle 1/4 1/2 3/4 & full throttle, error codes how much run time how many times its been started. Cheers Murf

peteGSX
01-07-15, 06:55 AM
Technology does have its place... but I like it away from my bike thanks! I like my digital dash... but I also like how I made it "Buck Rogers" style by keeping the stock gear position lights on there, but that 's just me...

It's pretty obvious the money now is in servicing and after market parts, not in sales of new bikes. Everything is designed to be disposable now...

Everything is built down to a price nowadays, even the expensive stuff.

And of course technology everywhere means the new kids now are way too lazy to actually get off their arse and do something or fix something, they'd rather click a few buttons and let the computer do it for them to give them more time to update their Facebook page or go to the gym or maybe to go get some "manscaping" done on their big bushy Amish... oops I mean hipster... beards...

I know where I'd rather be... out in the twisties! And my job is in IT too... oh the shame...

AJ67
01-07-15, 07:25 AM
Hey Darkside, we are, sorry, most of you are old men:). What would the average age of a Katana rider be? Late 40's/early 50's. I am a '67 model and some of us aren't into the technology. That is why i got rid of my new BMW and stuck with an air head. Damn battery would go flat if i left it sit for 2 weeks. My new bike (daily ride) is a 1250 Bandit. That suits me as far as technology goes. I don't want all this canbus and multiple CPU's operating everything. Retro for me now.

pkay
01-07-15, 09:21 AM
Philistines unite!!!! Hey John 30 years ago things were still fixable. When I was fixing the Aprillia it was all replace replace replace - eventually there will be no units to replace the item needing replacement. But it was still a mix of fix and flog. But that was 2001. Also if you want to see what it will be like in 20 years check out the price of BMW spares. The metering unit for a K100 is worth more than the bike - so where is that going to end up (yes where it belongs heathens). And the ABS unit costs even more. So thinking out aloud does that mean that fixable bikes will become more valuable? Throw away society may have some long term benefit after all???????

Kiwialfa
01-07-15, 10:53 AM
I've got no problem with technology, I work in a tech heavy sector. Working on my tuning my carbs has been like time travelling backwards. And it's been a while since I've had to warm an engine for a couple of minutes before I could expect to get moving. The Kat represents a snap shot of motorcycle technology at the time, and it dawned on me the closer my bike got to completion that I was restoring a classic bike; that I was now the old dude I saw at the inaugural Word Superbike races (NZ had a round at Manfield at the beginning of WSBK in 1988) with the immaculate AJS 7R Boy Racer.

Technology is just the solution to a problem, the Mikuni carb was the solution in the 80s. I've been reading my old Haynes carb tuning manual that was written in 1980 and it talks about the rise of the CV carb to improve emissions, and that the new-fangled fuel injection may or may not be the future. I giggled a bit reading that. I do agree that while electronics do provide real benefits (remember points?) solid state and mirco-processors mean that unit replacement is the only option when issues arise. All electronic devices have a service life and eventually will go phut! The issue with more modern bikes is the incredible performance available is directly dependent upon the black boxes and the are a shit-load more of them. Which is shit-load more of them to eventually go wrong. But at least the diagnostics will tell you what the problem is.

Toadboy
01-07-15, 08:51 PM
I wonder what our friend - what's his name, would make of this, seeing that in a few more years no one will want our old clunkers anyway !!! :p;)

nige501
01-07-15, 08:59 PM
He is STILL waiting for that day to come.

Nige

Toadboy
01-07-15, 09:00 PM
He is STILL waiting for that day to come.

Nige

lol.........

Shin-Ken 1074
01-07-15, 11:05 PM
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, no news is good news from your old buddie eh Eric?

Cheers mate.

Rusty82
02-07-15, 11:58 AM
Gee who do you refer to there Eric.......Wasnt a fella starting with an A was it???? and I dont mean Arsehole either....:D
Ha ha ha - a quote we could never forget....

pkay
02-07-15, 01:52 PM
ANDYKWAK? ANDYTWAT? ANDYSOMEONEGIVEMEAGOODSMACK?

Do you reckon he still lurks around here? I mean someone like that would normally struggle to have a few friends........

MadKatter
02-07-15, 07:18 PM
I grew up with a father who restored old bikes AJS, BSA, Aerials etc, I remember fondly dad scouring thru parts catalogues thicker than a phone book or sending me down to the local library to look parts up on the micro fish. It was then a matter of Dad filling out an order form and sending it with a cheque via mail usually to the UK and then wait the 6-7 weeks for the parts to arrive. If he were alive today I doubt he would believe I could order parts from anywhere in the world thru a hand held personal computer and pay for them with the same device and track their shipping to the minute all to have them delivered in under a week. Computers have their place I agree, but on a bike...... I cant see these computerised marvels ever becoming true classics.

pkay
03-07-15, 10:49 AM
Delivered in under a week you must pay a lot in postage? I reckon the way the dollar is going at the moment it's adding at least 10-15% to the price of my restos. Still I agree that it is amazing to be able to buy things you would never imagine you could when doing a resto - realistically how many bikes are now viable resto propositions because of the technology? I'm off to order some OEM 6mm fuel pipe clips from Japan.........

MadKatter
03-07-15, 07:48 PM
ahhh over night parts from japan....lol, Ive had parts arrive from the USA, UK and Japan faster than some Aussie sellers.