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Tomcat
14-04-16, 10:23 PM
Hi all
The mag is out and as I'm now on leave, going to leave reading latest issue till at the sister-in-laws so I don't have to respond when spoken to.

Anyway, there is a nice centre fold picture, complete with staple holes!
4831

Granted, it's no Helen Brown:p

4832

Nick Kakasiouris
16-04-16, 09:16 AM
Thanks Stuart i will look for the AMCN mag at my local newsagent. AND IN REGARDS to Helen Brown "STOP IT":D

Boogieman
17-04-16, 11:19 AM
Maybe the argument about the disc slot direction is over!
Look closely.

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p281/boogieman1200/1672CACB-A0AC-4ABD-9D1C-88727E5BDAAF.jpg (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/boogieman1200/media/1672CACB-A0AC-4ABD-9D1C-88727E5BDAAF.jpg.html)

i mean, it is the original and all.

83KAT
17-04-16, 03:15 PM
Ben, The bike you've displayed here I would think is of the restored version/repaired/repainted in 2006 AND I would hazard a guess they were incorrectly refitted then!. If you look at the picture on page 58 and on 60 (ED-2 mock-up) the brake rotors are correct.....This is just my humble observation and in NO WAY do I know (or claim to know) the provenance of the orientation of disc rotor slot direction.

Boogieman
17-04-16, 03:42 PM
Ian,
there is absolutely no room for logic or findings based on well thought out process of elimination in my shit stir.

Regards
Ben.

83KAT
17-04-16, 04:24 PM
Ben,
I'll have mine shaken but not stirred thank you Sir. All good mate , cheers Ian.

nige501
17-04-16, 08:55 PM
Im glad they changed the original design , as the prototype looks a bit shit compared to our one now.
These days when they make a cool prototype they F$#K it up when they put it into production.

Nige

Nick Kakasiouris
18-04-16, 11:48 AM
A Big plus 1 and that Nige, well said.
Nick

pkay
18-04-16, 02:11 PM
Well expressed Nige nobody can quite use the word F@#K like you!!

I'll F@#k off now

83KAT
19-04-16, 02:19 PM
TWO WHEELS and scooter magazine in the latest edition 2/16 (that can't be right, but I've just bought it!) has an article on "MODERN CLASSICS" Suzuki katana....CLASSIC RACER pages 78/79/80.
.
.PS When did they add "and scooter" to the name? It's not one of my regular reads.
.
.cheers Ian
.
.PPS..I've just read the article and it's just another poorly written and poorly researched story!....Oh that's right it's called spell check...fknBS...AND research is reading any of the many other BS stories out there.!

patrick
19-04-16, 10:47 PM
here is a shot of a pair off original discs ,they are stamped R and the other L , R for right hand side and L for left hand side ,it is that simple and straight forward 4837 for fuck sake

drillit
20-04-16, 12:29 AM
here is a shot of a pair off original discs ,they are stamped R and the other L , R for right hand side and L for left hand side ,it is that simple and straight forward 4837 for fuck sake

.......is that sitting on the bike or looking at the front through the shark fins? :-)

nige501
20-04-16, 08:21 AM
I look at mine from the right side.

Nige

patrick
20-04-16, 10:30 PM
ha fucking ha ha ha I new some smart cookie would ask that ,does that make me phyco or what ?4851 look at IT this way , this is the { L } left side the [R] ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRE is the ovarrrrrrrrrrrr ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,.................... ....:confused:

drillit
20-04-16, 10:34 PM
ha fucking ha ha ha I new some smart cookie would ask that ,does that make me phyco or what ?4851 look at IT this way , this is the { L } left side the [R] ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRE is the ovarrrrrrrrrrrr ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,.................... ....:confused:

.....so this the left - right?

NMMDI!

Boogieman
20-04-16, 10:52 PM
Well here's a history lesson-
the disc stamped "L" was made by the French and it stands for "Le droit" which roughly translates to "The right"
To distinguish the difference between the discs and due to the fact that "L" was taken, they stamped the Remaining disc (The left one) with an "R".

True story.
However, a famous quote springs to mind.
"Don't believe everything you read on the Internet"
Abraham Lincoln [1868]

nige501
20-04-16, 10:55 PM
Hahahhaaaaa thats great ,well said Abe.

Nige

Boogieman
20-04-16, 10:59 PM
Here's a selfie from the actual event.

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p281/boogieman1200/8A1322E2-6D9F-431E-9C9D-C9C1507801D5.jpg (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/boogieman1200/media/8A1322E2-6D9F-431E-9C9D-C9C1507801D5.jpg.html)

peteGSX
21-04-16, 07:33 AM
Hahahahahahahaha gold!

Got my copy but haven't had a chance to read it yet... however I'd love to know what the pipe is on the Kat in the article. Although it looks like it needs the centre stand removed to fit it... it's certainly not stock with no screen, the instruments at a weird angle, and a round rear brake master reservoir...

ThomasJ
21-04-16, 09:52 AM
Hahahahahahahaha gold!

Got my copy but haven't had a chance to read it yet... however I'd love to know what the pipe is on the Kat in the article. Although it looks like it needs the centre stand removed to fit it... it's certainly not stock with no screen, the instruments at a weird angle, and a round rear brake master reservoir...

Pete, the pipe is very simular to the 250 and 400 Kat's which do not have a centre stand.

4852

darkside
21-04-16, 10:01 AM
Shame for a centre spread in a magazine they find a more original example, but then better that than they left it out, right?

peteGSX
21-04-16, 10:11 AM
Ah cheers Tom!

And yep John but I don't mind, I like a tasty well done custom :D

Shin-Ken 1074
21-04-16, 05:52 PM
Hahahahahahahaha gold!

Got my copy but haven't had a chance to read it yet... however I'd love to know what the pipe is on the Kat in the article. Although it looks like it needs the centre stand removed to fit it... it's certainly not stock with no screen, the instruments at a weird angle, and a round rear brake master reservoir...

Hi Pete, the reason the bike in question has odd parts, no screen, zany 4-1 etc is because the poster is a photo of the Target Design ED2 prototype. This is the bike that was shown at the 1980 Cologne Motor Show and started the Katana ball rolling.

Cheers

nige501
21-04-16, 07:29 PM
Yes they smoothed her out nicely Shin.

Nige

patrick
21-04-16, 08:28 PM
Well here's a history lesson-
the disc stamped "L" was made by the French and it stands for "Le droit" which roughly translates to "The right"
To distinguish the difference between the discs and due to the fact that "L" was taken, they stamped the Remaining disc (The left one) with an "R".

True story.
However, a famous quote springs to mind.
"Don't believe everything you read on the Internet"
Abraham Lincoln [1868] calling any French Kats ,show us you front discs,lets get this from the horses mouth , Mr Ed, this would of been easier if they been made amphi-discs.:rolleyes:

Tomcat
21-04-16, 08:52 PM
calling any French Kats ,show us you front discs,lets get this from the horses mouth , Mr Ed, this would of been easier if they been made amphi-discs.:rolleyes:

Patrick

Did you mean "Ambi-disc-trous" ?

Cannot believe we still have this argument, but Ben makes a good bit of leverty about it.

A) your left side ( left arm ) is the same regardless of which way you face, or are looking into a mirror.
B) the disc stamped "L" is for the Left side, the disc stamped "R" is for the right side.
C) move on!

Shin-Ken 1074
21-04-16, 09:29 PM
Yes they smoothed her out nicely Shin.

Nige

Hhhmmmmmm, I like em' smooth!:wink:

peteGSX
21-04-16, 09:30 PM
Aaah cheers Glen! I knew you would have an answer...

ThomasJ
22-04-16, 09:30 AM
Patrick

Did you mean "Ambi-disc-trous" ?

Cannot believe we still have this argument, but Ben makes a good bit of leverty about it.

A) your left side ( left arm ) is the same regardless of which way you face, or are looking into a mirror.
B) the disc stamped "L" is for the Left side, the disc stamped "R" is for the right side.
C) move on!

Didn't someone clear this up a while back by suggesting that you match the slots with the rear disc????????

Check the discs on the Helen Brown poster. I always use this as a guide when I am not sure how something looks.

Shin-Ken 1074
22-04-16, 09:47 AM
Didn't someone clear this up a while back by suggesting that you match the slots with the rear disc????????

Check the discs on the Helen Brown poster. I always use this as a guide when I am not sure how something looks.

Hahahahahahahahaha, good one Tom!

nige501
22-04-16, 09:58 AM
Look I will put an end to this now. Some people seem to be a bit flustered and we cant have that at this age!
The reason this topic continues is DRILLIT, He keeps picking on me and taking the piss and I just keep adding the kindling. I dont like doing it but we have gone too far now.
He doesnt like the fact that I have one disc one way and the other facing another way, this eats Derek up because he loves all the rivets in the right place everything must be in order, no straying out of the lines.
To him stock is the King.

So you could say Derek made US do it.

Nige
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Boogieman
22-04-16, 04:19 PM
This eats Derek up because he loves all the rivets in the right place everything must be in order, no straying out of the lines.
To him stock is the King.

Nige
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��I see what you're getting at. His bike is VERY original.

Tomcat
22-04-16, 08:59 PM
Rivets!
Did someone say Rivets?

I've looked all over my Kat and could only find 2 on the ADR tag.
How many am I missing?:D

Shin-Ken 1074
22-04-16, 09:06 PM
Rivets, rivets, about time! Don't forget there are six rivets on the airbox and one blind rivet on the steering lock. Next.........

ThomasJ
22-04-16, 09:27 PM
Well I am missing two rivet as I do not have an ADR tag

nige501
22-04-16, 09:33 PM
Rivets..Here we go. Didnt mean to start something else ! Lol

Nige

Shin-Ken 1074
22-04-16, 10:20 PM
Rivets..Here we go. Didnt mean to start something else ! Lol

Nige

Nige made me do it, again!

Tomcat
22-04-16, 10:48 PM
Rivets, rivets, about time! Don't forget there are six rivets on the airbox and one blind rivet on the steering lock. Next.........

DAMB it!
Forgot the air box. And the steering lock.

Don't forget the ones on the foot pegs!

Nick Kakasiouris
22-04-16, 11:05 PM
Nige, what have you started:D

ThomasJ
23-04-16, 12:44 AM
DAMB it!

Don't forget the ones on the foot pegs!

Are there rivets on the pegs???? I thought they were cotter pins?

peteGSX
23-04-16, 06:50 AM
Well I'm making up for it... the only stock rivet I have is on the steering lock... but I have 2 on my battery/electrics tray and 8 on my rear inner guard/tray... do they count?

I don't wanna feel left out of this riveting topic...

Tomcat
23-04-16, 11:00 AM
Are there rivets on the pegs???? I thought they were cotter pins?

Solid rivets.
4855

Nick Kakasiouris
23-04-16, 11:26 AM
Solid rivets.
4855

Thank you Professor and lets hope this does not get Derek all exited. OOps Nige made me do it.
Nick

Shin-Ken 1074
23-04-16, 11:49 AM
Well I'm making up for it... the only stock rivet I have is on the steering lock... but I have 2 on my battery/electrics tray and 8 on my rear inner guard/tray... do they count?

I don't wanna feel left out of this riveting topic...

Sorry Pete, ya fancy custom uber cool mods don't make it for this one. It's stock items only, Rivet Counters = the pure form.

Cheers.

P.S. Keep count of how many you use it'll be handy for another thread one day I am sure.

nige501
23-04-16, 12:16 PM
Nige, what have you started:D I wash my hands. This is all Dereks doing.

Nige

nige501
23-04-16, 12:18 PM
Drillit is on his chair patting his fluffy white cat with a sinister laugh, Spectre style.

Nige

ThomasJ
23-04-16, 01:25 PM
Solid rivets.
4855

Technically they are cotter / clevis pins and not a rivet. A rivet to quote the Macquarie dictionary: RIVET "a metal pin or bolt for passing thought holes in two or more plates or pieces to hold them together, hammered in to a head after insertion. To fasten or fix firmly. A non Katana owner Harley rider."

patrick
23-04-16, 10:52 PM
are there rivets on the pegs???? I thought they were cotter pins? ref.no. 11 part no. 05011-08229 description, pin q'ty 2 . 4856 similar to the top left example .open can of worms :rolleyes:

Tomcat
23-04-16, 11:10 PM
Technically they are cotter / clevis pins and not a rivet. A rivet to quote the Macquarie dictionary: RIVET "a metal pin or bolt for passing thought holes in two or more plates or pieces to hold them together, hammered in to a head after insertion. To fasten or fix firmly. A non Katana owner Harley rider."

Counter move!
Thomas, to quote your own reference,
The 'Rivet' passes through three metal plates/pieces ( that being 2 or more ) and is "Hammered" into a head after insertion.

It's actually a bigger version of the one on the steering lock cover
Check-Mate!

Tomcat
23-04-16, 11:18 PM
ref.no. 11 part no. 05011-08229 description, pin q'ty 2 . 4856 similar to the top left example .open can of worms

Close Patrick, but the original GSP units do not have a drilled hole for a split pin.
The ones I received needed to be hammered from the underside!

I'll take some pics, but frightened the group may go into melt-down :o

Don't worry, I'll bring the can opener

ThomasJ
24-04-16, 12:06 AM
Love it! I am sitting here pissing myself laughing!!!!!!

Tomcat
24-04-16, 12:12 AM
Love it! I am sitting here pissing myself laughing!!!!!!

A catheter tube can help in such a situation:eek:

peteGSX
24-04-16, 08:14 AM
Hahaha oh this is pure gold!


Sorry Pete, ya fancy custom uber cool mods don't make it for this one. It's stock items only, Rivet Counters = the pure form.

Cheers.

P.S. Keep count of how many you use it'll be handy for another thread one day I am sure.

Rightio... I'll disregard the stock rivets... we'll have a custom rivet count... starting at 10 :D

Shin-Ken 1074
24-04-16, 09:43 AM
Hahaha oh this is pure gold!



Rightio... I'll disregard the stock rivets... we'll have a custom rivet count... starting at 10 :D

And photos Pete, don't forget the photos. And real rivets not those imposter cotter pins - they don't count.

Cheers.

Nick Kakasiouris
24-04-16, 10:18 AM
Ah the Professor and the school of logic, GIVE ME MORE:D:D:D

patrick
24-04-16, 11:12 PM
Close Patrick, but the original GSP units do not have a drilled hole for a split pin.
The ones I received needed to be hammered from the underside!

I'll take some pics, but frightened the group may go into melt-down :o

Don't worry, I'll bring the can opener I concur completely , these here, in the middle of the framed photograph ,be it digital and not a celluliod film stock picture are much closer to the actual pins 4857 these things with the mushroom heads plus the hole that takes a split pin resemble our pins much more closer than the flat head version in the other example I refer to in a earlier post other than having said hole, cheers I knew you would pick that [hole], I have had to replaced my foot peg rubbers , I do well remember that the pins were indeed hammered and or pressed in place just like the rivets in the Sydney harbour bridge aforesaid though not though a square tube to form a hinge bracket to form a sturdy place to rest ones foot . the Sydney harbour bridge rivets were hammered in red hot and leaving no gaps so as to lesson any rust forming , also as a tight fit. so there fore in this case they were not ,you know ? mmmooorrreeeehhaahhaaahhaa:confused:

melwain
25-04-16, 02:11 AM
When we used to take young ladies on tours of the frigate I served on in the South African Navy we would always ask them if they wanted to see the golden rivet.
I'll leave it to your smutty imagination to what this golden rivet was!!!!

Shin-Ken 1074
25-04-16, 08:05 AM
That Golden Rivet has an extended family Mel, they made to Oz as well.

Cheers.

peteGSX
25-04-16, 08:47 AM
And photos Pete, don't forget the photos. And real rivets not those imposter cotter pins - they don't count.

Cheers.

Right you are... ten custom rivets in photos :D

http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt26/starpoint73/Katana/Frame%20and%20Bodywork/IMG_1913.jpg (http://s594.photobucket.com/user/starpoint73/media/Katana/Frame%20and%20Bodywork/IMG_1913.jpg.html)

http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt26/starpoint73/Katana/Frame%20and%20Bodywork/IMG_1846.jpg (http://s594.photobucket.com/user/starpoint73/media/Katana/Frame%20and%20Bodywork/IMG_1846.jpg.html)

Toadboy
25-04-16, 09:53 AM
That Golden Rivet has an extended family Mel, they made to Oz as well.

Cheers.

For those of us not endowed with a services back ground is the 'Golden Rivet' the last rivet belted into the hull of a warship being built....heard that a long time ago ??

ThomasJ
25-04-16, 12:20 PM
Stuart out all of this bravado raises an interesting point about the Katana.

Something that may be taken for granted but a very important piece of information as it is now an item we must check when a $20000 "totally original" Katana is offered for sale. And if found with the incorrect rivet / cotter pin therefore not "totally original" and would loose $5k in value immediately.......

ThomasJ
25-04-16, 12:22 PM
For those of us not endowed with a services back ground is the 'Golden Rivet' the last rivet belted into the hull of a warship being built....heard that a long time ago ??

In naval folklore there is a tale that every ship is built containing a single, commemorative "golden rivet"— an idea doubtless adapted from the golden spike that was temporarily driven at the completion of the transcontinental railroad in 1869. The rivet's location is allegedly different for each ship and undisclosed, known only to the crew. Of course no such thing exists: gold is too malleable to use for a rivet. Like many urban legends, the "golden rivet" is perpetuated for the amusement of "old salts" at the expense of the gullible.

Most often the myth is used as a practical joke or snipe hunt played on junior sailors, exploiting their naivete and natural curiosity with their new surroundings. The prank consists of informing a new sailor of the existence of the "golden rivet" and encouraging him to look for it. After scouring the entire ship without success, it eventually dawns on the junior that he has been the butt of a joke.

In a crueller version of the gag, a senior sailor calls attention to the rivet somewhere in the deck plating, then as the junior bends over to look at it, he is given a kick in the backside. Sometimes the snipe hunt is dispensed with altogether, with the senior sailor merely pointing to a spot on the deck and inviting the junior examine it. When pointed out to female guests (especially attractive ones), the point is simply to get the target to bend over.

As navies around the world are increasingly the target of criticism regarding victimization, the "golden rivet" gag can be seen as a fairly harmless form of initiation.

Other steel structures said to contain a golden rivet include the Forth Rail Bridge and the Empire State Building.


Another version of "The Golden Rivet" tells of a highly dubious practice involving young recruits and the ship's cook. The recruit would be told of the existence of a golden rivet which, he would be told, was always the last rivet to be fitted into the ship. This rivet could be seen if the lad leaned out through the galley porthole. As soon as he did so, the ship's cook would lower the porthole cover, pull down the unfortunate boy's trousers and violate him.

There is no evidence that this practice was real but the story of "showing someone the Golden Rivet" remains a traditional naval myth among mariners.

ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_rivet

minus45
25-04-16, 04:18 PM
I seem to think you have forgotten the rivets on the back rotor.........

Tomcat
25-04-16, 08:08 PM
I seem to think you have forgotten the rivets on the back rotor.........

Well played!!

nige501
25-04-16, 09:18 PM
Well we have had some hijacked threads before but I think this ones has to be the most de-railed.

Nige

Shin-Ken 1074
25-04-16, 09:29 PM
Hey Nige now that we're talkin' about trains...................................

nige501
25-04-16, 10:45 PM
Ever been on a bullet train ?


Nige

83KAT
26-04-16, 08:53 AM
I think Glens "been" to sushi train....

Shin-Ken 1074
26-04-16, 09:23 AM
Ever been on a bullet train ?


Nige

Now that you mention it, I've been on the TGV a few times, it's even faster than a Kat - just.

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=france+tgv+fast+train&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=0JAeV-XWLozP0gSN8Ltg#q=tgv+train+speed

Shin-Ken 1074
26-04-16, 09:27 AM
I think Glens "been" to sushi train....

A couple but I stopped going, the serving platter was always very "flat".

Kiwialfa
26-04-16, 12:51 PM
Close boys, but no cigar on the rivet front. You've ignored the elephant under the clutch cover. Three large diameter rivets that attaches the backing plate to the clutch basket.

nige501
26-04-16, 08:23 PM
Now that you mention it, I've been on the TGV a few times, it's even faster than a Kat - just.

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=france+tgv+fast+train&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=0JAeV-XWLozP0gSN8Ltg#q=tgv+train+speed Bloody hell thats fast.

Nige

Boogieman
05-05-16, 08:54 PM
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p281/boogieman1200/39E5E971-EDC0-463D-9690-98017BAA9D38.jpg (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/boogieman1200/media/39E5E971-EDC0-463D-9690-98017BAA9D38.jpg.html)